Legislature(2021 - 2022)BARNES 124

03/08/2022 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION

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03:14:41 PM Start
03:15:51 PM Presentation(s): Kinross Gold Ore Trucking Proposal
04:19:32 PM Presentation(s): Dot&pf and the Kinross Ore Trucking Proposal
04:36:51 PM Presentation(s): Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways
05:35:34 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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-- Meeting Postponed to 3:00 pm --
-- Teleconference <Listen Only> --
Joint with House Resources
+ Presentation: Kinross Gold Ore Trucking Proposal TELECONFERENCED
Invited Testimony by Chief Michael Sam, Village
of Tetlin
+ Presentation: DOTPF and the Kinross Ore Trucking TELECONFERENCED
Proposal by Commissioner Ryan Anderson and Joe
Kemp, Northern Region Director; DOTPF
+ Presentation: Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 366 LEG. APPROVAL: AK RAILROAD REVENUE BONDS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                           3:14 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Grier Hopkins, Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Sara Hannan, Vice Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                
 Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                       
 Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                    
 Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Josiah Patkotak, Chair                                                                                          
 Representative Grier Hopkins, Vice Chair                                                                                       
 Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                     
 Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                 
 Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                      
 Representative Ronald Gillham                                                                                                  
 Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                     
 Representative Calvin Schrage                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  KINROSS GOLD ORE TRUCKING PROPOSAL                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION(S):  DOT&PF AND THE KINROSS ORE TRUCKING PROPOSAL                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  ADVOCATES FOR SAFE ALASKA HIGHWAYS                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JEREMY BRANS, General Manager                                                                                                   
Kinross Fort Knox                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Gave a  PowerPoint  presentation  on  the                                                             
Kinross gold ore trucking proposal  and answered questions during                                                               
the presentation by Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL SAM, Chief                                                                                                              
Village of Tetlin                                                                                                               
Tetlin, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Offered   invited  testimony  during  the                                                             
presentation on the Kinross gold ore trucking proposal.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
RYAN ANDERSON, Commissioner Designee                                                                                            
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Gave  a  presentation  on DOT&PF  and  the                                                             
Kinross gold ore trucking proposal  and answered questions during                                                               
the presentation by Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA SCHUMANN                                                                                                                
Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Co-presented a  PowerPoint  presentation,                                                             
titled "An Alaskan Plea for Safety."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOHN COOK                                                                                                                       
Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Co-presented a  PowerPoint  presentation,                                                             
titled "An Alaskan Plea for Safety."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:14:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GRIER  HOPKINS  called  the joint  meeting  of  the  House                                                             
Transportation  Standing   Committee  and  the   House  Resources                                                               
Standing  Committee  to  order  at  3:14  p.m.    Representatives                                                               
Hopkins,  Patkotak,  McKay,   McCabe,  Cronk,  Gilham,  Rauscher,                                                               
Hannan,  and Drummond  (via teleconference)  were present  at the                                                               
call to order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Kinross Gold Ore Trucking Proposal                                                                           
      PRESENTATION(S):  Kinross Gold Ore Trucking Proposal                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
3:15:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be a presentation on the Kinross gold ore trucking proposal.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:18:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEREMY  BRANS,  General  Manager,   Kinross  Fort  Knox,  gave  a                                                               
PowerPoint presentation, titled "Manh  Choh Project Update" [hard                                                               
copy  included  in the  committee  packet].   He  explained  that                                                               
Kinross, a  value-based company, was  one of the  world's largest                                                               
gold  producers which  took a  legacy approach  to new  projects.                                                               
Fort Knox  celebrated 25 years  of operation in Fairbanks  with a                                                               
total  contribution  of  $127  million  in  property  taxes,  $50                                                               
million  in state  taxes, and  715  direct jobs.   He  emphasized                                                               
Kinross's positive  impact on  local and  host communities.   The                                                               
Manh Choh project  is an open pit gold mine  near Tetlin, Alaska,                                                               
which  has  a 4-to-5-year  life  expectation,  with an  estimated                                                               
total  production of  one  million ounces  of  gold.   Production                                                               
would start  in 2024,  bringing hundreds of  good paying  jobs to                                                               
the region with an average  annual wage of $130,000, boosting the                                                               
local economy.   The  anticipated cost would  be over  $1 billion                                                               
for the course of the project.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:36:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BRANS conveyed  that the  Tetlin Village  consists of  Upper                                                               
Tanana  Athabascans with  a predominantly  subsistence lifestyle.                                                               
The land  is owned entirely by  the Tetlin Village, which  is not                                                               
part  of the  Alaska  Native  Claims Settlement  Act.   He  noted                                                               
Kinross's effort  to foster  relationships in  the area  with the                                                               
Tetlin Tribe  and stakeholders.   The new  business model  was to                                                               
mine  the ore  at  Manh Choh  and  truck it  to  Fort Knox  using                                                               
existing   infrastructure.     Because  of   the  difficulty   of                                                               
amortizing a medium size deposit,  the ore transport plan was the                                                               
only way  to make a profit  on the project; it  would also reduce                                                               
the  environmental   impact  at  the  project   site.    However,                                                               
residents and users of the  Alaska Highway and Richardson Highway                                                               
may experience increased road traffic.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:49:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL SAM,  Chief, Village of  Tetlin, shared that,  as elected                                                               
chief, his primary  job is to look out for  the physical, social,                                                               
and  financial wellbeing  of the  Tribe members.   The  Manh Choh                                                               
project would  create long-term revenue, fund  opportunities, and                                                               
train the  workforce with transferrable skills  to other projects                                                               
in Alaska.   The project team has been  in constant communication                                                               
with the community,  keeping them informed every step  of the way                                                               
to ensure that Tribal culture  and traditions were protected.  In                                                               
response  to the  committee's questions,  Chief  Sam stated  that                                                               
Manh  Choh would  provide more  opportunities for  the people  of                                                               
Tetlin.      His  goal   is   to   implement  water   and   sewer                                                               
infrastructure,  employ Alaskans,  and boost  the local  economy.                                                               
The  population of  Tetlin is  125, of  which 50  are able-bodied                                                               
employees.    He  added  that Tribal  membership  is  around  300                                                               
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:05:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BRANS resumed  the  presentation  on the  topic  of the  ore                                                               
transport  plan.   He explained  that the  trucks are  similar to                                                               
double  fuel  and cargo  trailers  with  a  payload of  45  tons,                                                               
driving  at  an  estimated  2  to  4  trucks  per  hour  in  each                                                               
direction.    Kinross  and  its  trucking  partners  promised  to                                                               
implement a strong safety  culture through recruitment, training,                                                               
driver   safety,   structured    contracts,   real-time   vehicle                                                               
monitoring, purpose-built  equipment, and  a commitment  to drive                                                               
to conditions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  DOT&PF and the Kinross Ore Trucking                                                                          
Proposal                                                                                                                        
    PRESENTATION(S):  DOT&PF and the Kinross Ore Trucking                                                                   
                          Proposal                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:19:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
a  presentation  by the  Department  of  Transportation &  Public                                                               
Facilities on the Kinross ore trucking proposal.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:19:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYAN   ANDERSON,    Commissioner   Designee,   Office    of   the                                                               
Commissioner,  Department of  Transportation &  Public Facilities                                                               
(DOT&PF), stated that highway safety  and fair access is DOT&PF's                                                               
top  priority.    He  stated that  the  department  had  attended                                                               
Kinross's public  meetings and supported  the legal use  of state                                                               
highways.   The route from Manh  Choh to Fort Knox  is classified                                                               
as  an interstate  highway that  had  been maintained  by a  fair                                                               
amount  of federal  funds.   The department  is working  with its                                                               
federal partners  to evaluate the  use of  the corridor in  a way                                                               
that addresses public and stakeholder concerns.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:25:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   DESIGNEE  ANDERSON,   in  response   to  committee                                                               
questions,  clarified  that  a   formalized  plan  had  not  been                                                               
submitted  by  Kinross.    An ideal  plan  would  address  DOT&PF                                                               
statutes, regulations,  and safety aspects.   He stated  that the                                                               
department  had   already  been  considering  investing   in  the                                                               
Richardson Highway by implementing passing  lanes.  This had been                                                               
considered with or  without the Manh Choh project.   He estimated                                                               
that building  a new  bridge on  the Alaska  Highway would  be an                                                               
eight-to-nine-year project in total.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways                                                                           
    PRESENTATION(S):  Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:36:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
a presentation by the Advocates for Safe Alaska Highways.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:37:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  SCHUMANN, Advocates  for  Safe  Alaska Highways  (ASAH),                                                               
gave  a  PowerPoint presentation,  titled  "An  Alaskan Plea  for                                                               
Safety"  [hard  copy included  in  the  committee packet].    She                                                               
emphasized that ASAH  is opposed to the  transportation plan, not                                                               
the  mine itself.   She  expressed concern  about public  safety,                                                               
infrastructure,  liability,   and  environmental  impact.     She                                                               
believed that  the project  would take longer  than four  to five                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:42:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  COOK, Advocates  for Safe  Alaska  Highways, described  the                                                               
Kinross trucking proposal as an  unprecedented logistical plan on                                                               
a scale  that has never been  done before.  He  shared statistics                                                               
on  the potential  impact  to the  road system.    He added  that                                                               
Kinross has not submitted a peer-reviewed safety plan.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHUMANN  continued the  presentation by  discussing accident                                                               
liability.      She  argued   that   Kinross   had  not   claimed                                                               
responsibility for accidents  based on an explosion  at a Kinross                                                               
gold  mine in  Ghana in  January 2022.   If  an accident  were to                                                               
happen, she  suggested that  the state could  be liable  based on                                                               
the common law duty of due care for highway users.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COOK resumed  the presentation.    He pointed  out that,  to                                                               
date,  there has  been  no analysis  of  capital and  maintenance                                                               
costs, and the Richardson highway needs  care.  He said the route                                                               
is  a DOT&PF  priority for  winter maintenance.   He  argued that                                                               
driving 80-ton semitrucks from 192  to 384 miles would hinder the                                                               
air quality in the Fairbanks North  Star Borough.  He stated that                                                               
ASAH  has asked  the following  of  Kinross and  the state:  hold                                                               
public   forums,   consider   alternatives,  task   DOT&PF,   the                                                               
Department  of  Conservation,  and   the  Department  of  Law  to                                                               
initiate  an   analysis  of  the  transport   plan,  and  address                                                               
potential liability and State Implementation Plan impacts.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:04:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRANS  indicated that Kinross  would continue to  hold public                                                               
forums.    He   said  ASAH  has  not   been  offering  productive                                                               
conversations   or  solutions,   and  it   has  been   falsifying                                                               
calculations.   Per  DOT&PF, road  improvements for  the corridor                                                               
were already in the works.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   DESIGNEE  ANDERSON,   in  response   to  committee                                                               
questions,  said  structural  deficiencies in  the  bridges  were                                                               
being monitored and addressed, but could handle the load.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BRANS,  in  response   to  additional  committee  questions,                                                               
assured the  committee that a standard  operating procedure would                                                               
be in place.   He said that $50 million would  not cover the cost                                                               
of a  new mill.   He responded  that wetlands would  be minimally                                                               
impacted.   He stated that  Kinross has  considered alternatives,                                                               
such  as  railroad  convoys,  pioneer  roads,  building  a  mill;                                                               
however,  the  options  were  not   economically  feasible.    He                                                               
concluded  that the  trucking plan  is  precedent throughout  the                                                               
U.S. and Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:35:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committees, the House                                                                
Transportation Standing Committee and the House Resources                                                                       
Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 5:35 p.m.                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ASAH Presentation - 3.8.2022.pdf HRES 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
Manh Choh Project
ASAH Sheet - Executive Summary - 3.8.2022.pdf HRES 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
Manh Choh Project
ASAH Sheet - Kinross by the Numbers - 3.8.2022.pdf HRES 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
Manh Choh Project
ASAH Sheet - Letter to DOTPF Commissioner - 3.8.2022.pdf HRES 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
Manh Choh Project
Kinross Presentation - 3.8.2022.pdf HRES 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/8/2022 1:00:00 PM
Manh Choh Project